tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post114696985295494339..comments2023-10-29T05:11:37.677-07:00Comments on Porcupine blog: The Myth Of Socialism As StatismLarry Gambonehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-23053592196805395922017-12-07T08:17:05.199-08:002017-12-07T08:17:05.199-08:00A lot of early socialist ideas were just outlines ...A lot of early socialist ideas were just outlines or speculation to demonstrate some argument or other, such as Encyclopedist ideologues. It would be like taking an example from a Tannehill book and treating it as a literal example to be followed by Maine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-54395448765044064182010-02-03T03:45:49.908-08:002010-02-03T03:45:49.908-08:00Often we forget the little guy, the SMB, in our di...Often we forget the little guy, the SMB, in our discussions of the comings and goings of the Internet marketing industry. Sure there are times like this when a report surfaces talking about their issues and concerns but, for the most part, we like to talk about big brands and how they do the Internet marketing thing well or not so well.<br /><br /><br />www.onlineuniversalwork.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-16387058485022746982008-12-12T09:38:00.000-08:002008-12-12T09:38:00.000-08:00It definitely makes sense that a system of local c...It definitely makes sense that a system of local control of the economy and governmental functions is quite different from the statist national socialism the people associate with the word socialism today. I'd be curious to see several things.<BR/><BR/>1. What prevents worked co-ops?<BR/>1a. Most rich people's wealth is primarily tied up in capital goods that give workers jobs and produce goods that ordinary people buy (e.g. cars, flat screen tvs, clothes, books, houses.)<BR/>To the degree that capital comes from workers pension funds, don't workers own the means of production?<BR/>Doesn't all of this serve the same social function as co-ops?<BR/><BR/>2. If all power dissolves to the local level - what is to prevent <BR/>a. people from seceding to have single family co-ops and businesses.<BR/>b. the local powers that be from oppressing newcomers and the younger generation.<BR/>c. the municipalities from being statist and failing just like real states? Similarly wouldn't the local municipalities that are most successful be like little hong kongs with comparatively few rules or municipal control?<BR/>d. didn't small scale socialist experiments always fail? similarly municipal socialism was always a drain on the local government. Privatization is important today precisely because the state needs productive private enterprise that it can tax, public enterprise is a drain on state resources.<BR/>e. How do co-ops and municipalities and various economic enterprises get created and how do the old ones disappear? In free enterprise firms dissolve and merge and get created from scratch.<BR/>f. what kind of violence would be necessary to maintain the system?<BR/><BR/>I'd definitely be interested in any e-mail replies.<BR/>http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/mikkelsen4.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-45566038357859944552008-09-23T02:45:00.000-07:002008-09-23T02:45:00.000-07:00Have you managed to read a copy of Peter Newell...Have you managed to read a copy of Peter Newell's history of the Socialist Party of Canada yet .<BR/><BR/>The Impossibilists: A Brief Profile of the Socialist Party of Canada <BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/Impossibilists-Brief-Profile-Socialist-Canada/dp/1847483232/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222162830&sr=1-1<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately,it shares the same title of your own valuable pamphlet covering th same subject .ajohnstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09874891810770297962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-16130475488373710762007-04-20T22:19:00.000-07:002007-04-20T22:19:00.000-07:00wow, I just came across this. Brilliant Larry.wow, I just came across this. Brilliant Larry.Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04230080850680753260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1149778554816796602006-06-08T07:55:00.000-07:002006-06-08T07:55:00.000-07:00Thanks, Larry. I love learning that my worldview i...Thanks, Larry. I love learning that my worldview is not quite so wide as I had thought. Much obliged.Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1148655696377000702006-05-26T08:01:00.000-07:002006-05-26T08:01:00.000-07:00It's nice to read and be able to make reference to...It's nice to read and be able to make reference to stuff like this to people who think that socialism is inherently statist. Thanks.freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623742375135804548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1147573727045639662006-05-13T19:28:00.000-07:002006-05-13T19:28:00.000-07:00Good point Werner. Sorry, I haven't had the time t...Good point Werner. Sorry, I haven't had the time to check out Vive these days but I hope more people do challenge the census.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1147544521277053852006-05-13T11:22:00.000-07:002006-05-13T11:22:00.000-07:00Hello Larry,You're probably aware of the anti-cens...Hello Larry,<BR/><BR/>You're probably aware of the anti-census campaign developing over at "Vive LeCanada". Several of the "regulars" over there have openly declared they will refuse the census utterly and go to jail if necessary. Just previous to this announcement I added a small contribution under my usual pseudonym highlighting the fact the census should be opposed on principle and NOT just owing to the role of Lockheed Martin. Don't know if that made any difference overall but I suppose it didn't hurt. Anyway I was going to put all of this on my own blog, but thought that mentioning this on yours would reach a wider audience.<BR/><BR/>WernerWernerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17213034395981099737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1147131608097588092006-05-08T16:40:00.000-07:002006-05-08T16:40:00.000-07:00Thanks guys. I agree with you Brad to the extent t...Thanks guys. I agree with you Brad to the extent that "capitalism" equals genuine free exchange. Unfortunately we can get tied up in word definitions here, since for most anarchists "capitalism" is seen as the antithesis of liberty. I think it was a bad idea for Rothbard to call his free market libertarianism "capitalist", had he called it "agorist" or "free exchange" there would be few quibbles.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Just Ken, for passing on the Steven Pearl Andrews "Science Of Society" which is a real find.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1147056873504354492006-05-07T19:54:00.000-07:002006-05-07T19:54:00.000-07:00Larry,S.P.Andrews believed so as well, as is descr...Larry,<BR/>S.P.Andrews believed so as well, as is described in his "The Science of Society" which I've posted on my website.<BR/>Best to you,<BR/>Just KenJust Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11942970738677579931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-1147056575043225012006-05-07T19:49:00.000-07:002006-05-07T19:49:00.000-07:00Thanks. Definitely a post to bookmark.Tell me your...Thanks. Definitely a post to bookmark.<BR/><BR/>Tell me your impression of one of the talking points I've been considering using with other Rothbardians who don't get what you're talking about in this post...<BR/><BR/>"Anarchism is like the North Pole. Just as 'East' and 'West' start to lose meaning the closer you get to the North Pole, so do 'Capitalism' and 'Socialism' converge as you approach the stateless free market."Brad Spanglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115689090782141108noreply@blogger.com