tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post5465168076980302223..comments2023-10-29T05:11:37.677-07:00Comments on Porcupine blog: The Problem With OccupyLarry Gambonehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-33267577858692054872012-01-10T10:33:32.227-08:002012-01-10T10:33:32.227-08:00Thanks for the insight Null! Nice that you met Car...Thanks for the insight Null! Nice that you met Carol Moore, I am sure she is someone you would see eye to eye with as a left-Rothbardian.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-43897079174783926352012-01-05T20:14:02.398-08:002012-01-05T20:14:02.398-08:00Larry, mollyew: As a left-leaning market libertari...Larry, mollyew: As a left-leaning market libertarian (in that weird place between left-Rothbardianism and Carsonian mutualism) I can attest to that. I was in attendance at the first day of October 2011 in DC and recently paid a visit to the Occupy site at McPherson Square a few blocks away. It felt like I had traveled back in time, like experiencing something of what the 60's were like. Being someone who is soon to be 23, that is quite a rush!<br /><br />At McPherson Square, one person kept coming to my mind: FA Hayek. It was nothing if not a perfect example of spontaneous, unimposed order. Maybe he was not consistent in it, but the concept is the same. They even had a "people's library"; apparently, everyone brought and shared books with each other. Without anyone ordering it, they all agreed to deposit their books at a tent, which turned into said library. There, I got a sense of the political diversity of occupy. You had left-liberals, progressives, greens, Marxists, anarchists, even free market libertarianism (albeit, only a few titles.)!<br /><br />The two people who "ran" the library are a couple of hold hands from the New Left, like yourself. Fascinating people, both of them. I always enjoyed the company of the Left more than the Right, especially as of late.<br /><br />Occupy has all the virtues of the New Left (openness, radicalism, creativity) while overcoming the vices (immaturity, impulsivity, impatience, excessive willingness to use violence (which I understand was only a minority of New Leftists)).<br /><br />Rightists may say to a market libertarian, left or right, to come over for Tea. I never accepted the invitation, but I could tell how rigid and astroturfed it was a mile away-and this was before I became a left-libertarian! Principled libertarians at least are allowed at Occupy, as long as they don't act like complete assholes. It was where I first finally met Carol Moore.<br /><br />Forgive the length of my comment. Its just that I now realize how much I will cherish my brief encounters with this movement. I will always have fond memories of this amazing movement. It was...beautiful. Just beautiful.Null Voidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-13957307284675335182011-12-03T18:22:09.977-08:002011-12-03T18:22:09.977-08:00I think it is broader and also one hell of a lot m...I think it is broader and also one hell of a lot more mature. It seems people can learn from history after all. But then again these young people did not have our authoritarian upbringing/pedagogy to spend their lives living down..Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11635675.post-75018253414635114072011-12-03T13:44:55.958-08:002011-12-03T13:44:55.958-08:00Hi Larry,
I think it would be summed up as n...Hi Larry,<br /> I think it would be summed up as neither you nor I have any "problem" with Occupy. I suspect that, strangely enough, I am more optimistic in this case than you are. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see the Occupy movement as something equivalent to the New Left and Counterculture that we grew up in. The feelings it evokes are comparible. While I may admit that it is shallower than NL and CC it is certainly ! broader than either.mollymewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10608757779720671118noreply@blogger.com